Barbara Kingsolver in Conversation about “Unsheltered”

Through a Faber & Faber Twitter giveaway, I won tickets to see Barbara Kingsolver speak about her new novel, Unsheltered, at the Royal Festival Hall in London on Monday the 12th. (Yes, this is the second lot of tickets I’ve won within a month. When all you have to do is reply to a tweet or retweet it, I don’t know why more people don’t enter these competitions!) It was great to meet up with fellow bloggers Clare and Laura – half of my Wellcome Prize shadow panel – to hear Kingsolver chat with Samira Ahmed of Radio 4 and BBC One.

In person Kingsolver was a delight – warm and funny, with a generic American accent that doesn’t betray her Kentucky roots. In her beaded caftan and knee-high oxblood boots, she exuded girlish energy despite the shock of white in her hair. Although her fervor for the scientific method and a socially responsible government came through clearly, there was a lightness about her that tempered the weighty issues she covers in her novel.

In case you are unfamiliar with it, Unsheltered is the story of two residents of Vineland, New Jersey: in the present day, fifty-something Willa Knox is trying to keep her enlarged nuclear family together in the face of underemployment, a crumbling house, divided political loyalties and serious illness. In a parallel story line set in the 1870s that unfolds in alternating chapters, science teacher Thatcher Greenwood butts heads with his principal over Darwin’s writings and is alarmed by the actions of the town’s dictator-like founder, Charles Landis.

Kingsolver revealed that she always starts with theme rather than character or setting. A novel arises from a compelling question she wants to wrestle with. When she started this one five years ago, she wanted to write about paradigm shift. She felt like the regular rules have failed us, that the world no longer provides the ‘shelter’ we expect – a good job after a degree, a pension at the end of a career, adequate health care, and so on. Consumption and growth, the economic tools we’ve always relied on, won’t work anymore. How will we cope with the end of the world as we know it? Looking for a time period when people were also asked to rise to the occasion upon a shift in worldview, she settled on the 1870s, the decade following the Civil War, when America was divided along nearly the same lines as today.

Darwin: “such a sweet guy!” said Kingsolver.

Initially she thought she might make Darwin himself a character, but that would have required setting the book at least partially in England, and she’s come to terms with the fact that she’s an American novelist. Instead, she researched the champions of Darwin in America, starting with Asa Gray. Things didn’t work out with Gray – “it was like dating,” she jokes – but then she came across Mary Treat, a self-taught ‘lady scientist’ who corresponded with Darwin, and made him Thatcher’s neighbour in Vineland.

In the scene Kingsolver read from the historical thread, Mary experiments at letting a carnivorous plant nibble at her finger. The other reading, from the contemporary section, pictured Willa – part of the “sandwich generation,” doing the unpaid labor of caring for an aging relative to make up for a shortfall in the services the state should be providing – facing a pile of bills. “Willa is the peanut butter trying to hold everything together,” Kingsolver said – a feeling familiar to her from when she and her sister cared for their dying mother.

At Ahmed’s leading, Kingsolver also discussed the modern anti-fact movement, female anger and the balance between honoring the past and erasing it (the example Ahmed gave was Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name being taken off of the ALA children’s book medal because she is now considered to have a backward attitude to race). Kingsolver described the novel as her “love letter to millennials” such as her two resilient twenty-something daughters who are having to creatively make up for the ways in which Baby Boomers have ruined the world.

It’s impossible to ignore the similarities between Landis, Vineland’s leader, and Donald Trump. There was much knowing laughter from the audience, in fact, as she described Landis and his megalomaniac behavior. Although she peppered in a few of the more explicit Trump allusions (e.g., “Lock him up!”) later on, she wrote the bulk of the book before his presidential run was ever a possibility. Kingsolver said that this is not the first time that she has anticipated rather than responded to world events: for The Poisonwood Bible she wrote a scene of the death of Mobutu two months before he died in real life.

I reviewed Unsheltered for BookBrowse (4-star-rating) and have also been moderating their online book club discussion of it. It’s been fascinating to see the spread of opinions, especially in the thread asking readers to describe the novel in three words. Descriptors have ranged from “preachy,” “political” and “repressive” to “prophetic,” “hopeful” and “truth.” My own three-word summary was “Bold, complex, polarizing.” I sensed that Kingsolver was going to divide readers – American ones, anyway; British readers should be a lot more positive because even centrist politics here start significantly further left, and there is for the most part very little resistance to concepts like socialism and climate change. I have a feeling the site’s users are predominantly middle-class, middle-aged white ladies (which, to be fair, was also true of the London audience), and we know that they’re a bastion of Trump support.

My proof copy of Unsheltered: lots to think about.

It’s clear what Kingsolver’s political leanings would be, but she emphasized the importance of having conversations with family members and neighbors who voted a different way (for Brexit, perhaps) that don’t begin with “You idiot…” “As a novelist you have to generate that absolute empathy” for every character, she insisted, even Willa’s hateful, Fox News-blasting father-in-law, Nick, who’s an example of the ‘pull up the ladder’ type of first-generation immigrant. It’s important to remember that “it’s all coming from a place of fear,” she noted.

“We come to literature with our own nutritional needs,” Kingsolver remarked, and she loves that readers can take such different messages from her writing. Novels don’t give answers but bring you into conversation with yourself, she suggested. In asking “What is the human animal?” and “What can we do about it?” she hopes that she’s expanding our humanity. That is what she believes literary fiction should do, and she argued passionately on its behalf.

Being careful not to give any spoilers about her story lines’ endings during the question time, she said, “I promise I will not leave you in despair.” I hope that, if you haven’t already, you will all read Unsheltered, coming to it with an open mind. It’s one of the most important books of the year.


23 responses

  1. Lucky you to see her, she sounds wonderful! I love the comment to not start a conversation with ‘You idiot…’ even if you don’t agree with that person. I’ve been struggling with that myself, between not shouting but also not shrugging and running away to avoid any conversation.

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    1. She was indeed wonderful. And she didn’t come across as preachy at all; rather, very common-sense and upbeat. It’s hard to know how to have these conversations when you feel like you’ll never forgive certain people for voting the ‘wrong’ way. I have to say, I simply avoid the B-word with my father-in-law, and the T-word with my mother. It feels like rehashing things wouldn’t do any good.

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  2. I’ve only recently come across Kingsolver as a writer, and I also think you were lucky to have the chance to hear her speak. Now to put all the rest of her books on my ‘must-read’ list…

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    1. I’ve read all of her nonfiction, and much of her fiction. I would particularly recommend (if you don’t already know them) The Poisonwood Bible, Prodigal Summer and her essay collections. I’m not as fond of her early work.

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  3. Well, I wasn’t sure having not gone on with several Kingsolver books including The Poisonwood Bible but you’ve persuaded me

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    1. It’s very elegant how she switches between the two time periods and draws connections between them. We saw Eric at the event and he is also a big fan. Elle really rates it, too.

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  4. Great write-up; I really enjoyed the event. Kingsolver is a great speaker! Sorry we didn’t have more time to chat afterwards.

    I definitely want to read Unsheltered, but the discussion at Southbank left me with reservations about the historical ‘half’ of the novel. I feel like there are already a lot of historical novels that deal with Darwin/Darwinism, and the way Kingsolver painted Darwinian ideas as a sudden paradigm shift, and suggested that Darwin himself didn’t realise his theory would be controversial, is just not accurate. It did make me reflect that I’ve always enjoyed Kingsolver’s contemporary novels (The Bean Trees, Prodigal Summer, Flight Behaviour) more than her historical ones (The Poisonwood Bible, The Lacuna). The contemporary ‘half’ of this novel sounded much more intriguing to me.

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    1. In all honesty, I did much prefer the contemporary story line and found myself impatient to get back to it with each alternating chapter. But she won me over in the end.

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  5. Great write-up! I thought she was very engaging. I’m looking forward to reading Unsheltered at some point and I have Prodigal Summer to read in the meantime. It’s definitely my turn to win some tickets now! 😉

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    1. I’m not sure why I’d expected her to be more “serious” or dry in person. Her sense of humour really helped the evening along.

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      1. And definitely not preachy!


    2. Indeed! I wish the people in the online book club who said that could have seen her in person.


  6. She sounds like a cracking speaker – I wish I could have gone. Unsheltered resonated really strongly with me when I read it (both my dad’s parents were in the middle of dying at home, and all the stuff about Medicare and the “sandwich generation” felt extremely apt).

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    1. Wish you could have come, too. Did you ‘make’ your mum/dad read the book?


      1. Not yet, but actually think it would be a great bet for my mum’s birthday!

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  7. How wonderful – I got to see her speak years ago and she was a delight! Totally warm and intelligent. She’s one of my favorite authors. I’ve yet to read Unsheltered but it’s sitting on my desk at work waiting for me to take it home! (Just gotta read a couple of others first.)

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    1. I hope you’ll love it!

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  8. What an amazing event to have attended. I have loved Kingsolver’s books in the past but haven’t read one for ages. I still have The Lacuna and Flight Behaviour tbr. This one is on my radar too though it sounds brilliant.

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  9. Lovely write-up – thank you for sharing this with us. It’s slightly annoying she skirted Birmingham and chose (or had chosen for her) Nottingham to speak at up here. Hopefully I’ll catch her one day. I’ve read everything of hers except The Lacuna and I want to revisit her early ones now.

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    1. Such a shame you didn’t manage to see her on this book tour. I still have a few of her earlier/more obscure ones to read.

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